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As been identified on the HRWB I am more of a propagation ham I will spend hours/days building something make a contact and then put it in a box. Then start the next thing. I'm not too much for rag chewing.

Currently I'm trying to learn CW but it seems this might be a little much for me we will see.

Hope to make some new friends and contacts here.

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@kc9zmy Yeah, I'm the same way and I go through spurts with it. I got my WAS award earlier this year, and almost immediately after that my station went quiet. Ragchewing is fine, but it's not my thing, especially since I'm not the typical ham demographic.

@roadriverrail @kc9zmy stick with the CW - it’s the best of the modes IMO and I am not even that great at it yet!

@roadriverrail @kc9zmy There are more hams who are not "the typical ham demographic" than one would think. They are just less visible, because they talk less.

@dl2jml @kc9zmy I'm very much sure that that's the case, and that it becomes a circular problem. If I had a station powerful enough to be a standard net control for, say, LGBTQ+ hams, I would.

@kc9zmy @roadriverrail ??? What is a station "powerful enough to be a standard net control"?

@dl2jml @kc9zmy You know... something that reliably gets enough coverage that I could run a social SSB net.

@roadriverrail That is not how radio works. Coverage depends on propagation which, by its very nature, is unreliable. And if you chose a particular more which is somewhat reliable, let us say 80m in the evenings for an area about 500km wide, then you will not be alone.

@dl2jml @roadriverrail if Kit doesn't have confidence in the station, it may not be a great experience for everyone.

@W1CDN @dl2jml @roadriverrail yes, I guessed that Kit had had some experience in the past that suggested their station wasn't well suited to being net controller, and that they did understand the foibles of radio propagation.

@M0YNG @W1CDN @dl2jml My point is that I do not believe my 100 watts and a wire dipole, especially one that can't do 80m, is going to be sufficient to reliably run a net. It seems a lot of net controls run legal limit and can reposition their antennas to get their best lobe to cover where most of the people for that net are at a given time. But I could be wrong. I'm happy to be corrected.

@roadriverrail @M0YNG @W1CDN My point is actually that I don't understand what you are trying to do when you say "run a net". You mean: "have regular skeds with a group of people"? How far would they be geographically speaking? Is that something which is common where you live?

@dl2jml @M0YNG @W1CDN A net is generally a little more than a multi-party sked. They have generally-dedicated times and frequencies, their geographic extent is typically "anywhere", they sometimes even have streaming bridges or recordings posted online. They also typically have a station that serves as "control", similar to a moderator, so that discussion is orderly and without signal interference. They're a fixture of HF worldwide. You can search for them or go to netlogger.org/.

@roadriverrail @W1CDN @M0YNG I tried netlogger.org, but it does not appear to have a list of nets and only shows 4 (which I understand to be presently talking). As I said before, HF is not really adapted to such a project (although maybe in the USA it would somewhat work in the lower bands). So: yes, you would need more watts and a good antenna, but that is because that particular project is a difficult one.

@dl2jml @W1CDN @M0YNG I'm not sure I'd say it's "not really adapted" to something that is a known common use of HF. There might be 4 talking *now* but there are lots and lots of them. Please just Google "list of hf nets" if you don't believe me. It typically takes powerful stations to be consistent presences on them, yes, and especially to be a net control, but your first-principles reasoning is steering you wrong.

@M0YNG @W1CDN @roadriverrail I believe you. I am discussing with you, so that I find out what these "nets" are. So I went to google and found this list: hamnetlist.blogspot.com/p/hf.h The list only has north American nets and in the lower bands.

@dl2jml @M0YNG @W1CDN Appreciated that your intent is to discuss, but please be aware you've mostly been explaining why something that exists wouldn't work. Looking at your call, I'm presuming you're in Germany; a little digging did turn up the Euopean Marine Mobile net at 14.297 as well as the Transatlantic Net. Perhaps they're less common in Europe or perhaps my searching in English isn't helping.

@W1CDN @roadriverrail @M0YNG I did not say it would not work. I said the way HF works makes such Nets difficult to implement. Which is actually exactly what you say, when you note 100W and a small antenna is not sufficient.

@dl2jml @W1CDN @M0YNG Alright. I'm going to wish you the best in learning about this practice on your own at this point.

@roadriverrail @dl2jml @W1CDN @M0YNG

Jerome, there are more nets than you found at that list. iaru-r1.org/about-us/committee shows those I know about for emergency groups but I know other special interest groups have their own nets or activity periods.
The difference is in the geography where here 100W and a dipole is enough to cover a country with NVIS or Groundwave. This is different in the USA depending on the area the net needs to cover.

@W1CDN @M0YNG @roadriverrail @g0dub Yes, the difference in required coverage is what I was thinking about.

@roadriverrail @dl2jml @W1CDN @M0YNG
Kit, practically what service area were you thinking of for your social SSB net. Thinking of the Maritime Mobile Service Net with it's many net controls to cover the area because of skip distance, is this something you start on a band with what you have, then grow other net controls to relay for you in areas you don't have coverage?

@g0dub @W1CDN @M0YNG Honestly, just some blue sky thinking in general. I'd rag chew more if there were more opportunities to talk to people I have something in common with.

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@M0YNG @roadriverrail @W1CDN But maybe you could make the project work by using networked relays and hotspots. Let us suppose that you use DMR and Brandmeister (C4FM or D-Star being other options). You can simply define a talkgroup, and likely minded people could use it, either using existing relays or by using a personal hotspot. That seems easier to implement.

@kc9zmy I find it difficult to find time with work and the kids :-) hi hi. But do enjoy tinkering, becoming a bit lazier though, will have to dust off my soldering iron! Going to try assembling the QRP Labs QDX as soon as the postal service in SA get their act together!
73 de Jaques

@kc9zmy Don't put it in a box, then. Join some kind of club and lend it to someone else who does not like to build electronics but likes to use them.

@kc9zmy www.lcwo.net (Learn-CW-Online) is a great online morse tutor.

Some just like building more than the chatting - everyone to their own!

@kc9zmy

This.

I would be more than happy to give you a signal report, then end the conversation there.

I very much enjoy being prepared to communicate in many different ways, if and when needed. And I'll thank my lucky stars if I never need to.

((chuckle))

@kc9zmy @kelvin0mql
I think a lot of folks are similar in not really digging a rag chew - I suspect that’s why things like and contesting are so popular - you get to do all the radio things, without the obligation of an extended conversation you might not actually want to be part of

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